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		<title>By: From Eds &#38; Meds, to Farms and Watersheds</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[From Eds &#38; Meds, to Farms and Watersheds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] escalating costs of US healthcare are well-enough known. At 16 per cent of GDP, it is now the largest sector of the US economy [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] escalating costs of US healthcare are well-enough known. At 16 per cent of GDP, it is now the largest sector of the US economy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Percentage of US Healthcare Is Publicly Financed? &#171; True Cost &#8211; Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Percentage of US Healthcare Is Publicly Financed? &#171; True Cost &#8211; Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] With the government already paying for the majority of US health care, one thing is clear about the current health care reform debate: The debate is not about whether the government will take control of the health care system, as that has quietly taken place over the last 40 years. The real debate is about how the government should distribute its health care spending, and on whether it will be able to rein in endless health care cost growth. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] With the government already paying for the majority of US health care, one thing is clear about the current health care reform debate: The debate is not about whether the government will take control of the health care system, as that has quietly taken place over the last 40 years. The real debate is about how the government should distribute its health care spending, and on whether it will be able to rein in endless health care cost growth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: praveenghanta</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-834</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max, see my footnote [1] above. I updated the link which indicates that 46% of all health care is directly paid by the government via Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, and other programs. The 46% figure doesn&#039;t include the health insurance of all government workers at all levels of government.

http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08fedfun.pdf - there are 2.8 Million civilian federal employees

http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08stlus.txt - there are 14.9 Million state and local government employees

http://www.ehow.com/about_4595933_what-size-us-military.html - there are roughly 1.5M active duty military servicemen

That&#039;s 19.2 Million individuals (plus their families) receiving health care paid for by the federal government, above and beyond the 46% figure noted above. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14942047/

Average household size is 2.6 in the US, so it&#039;s likely that 19.2 * 2.6 = 50 Million people get their health insurance from government employment. That&#039;s 16% of the US population.

When added to the 46% of individuals receiving health care from direct government programs, that totals 62% of all health care in the US!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, see my footnote [1] above. I updated the link which indicates that 46% of all health care is directly paid by the government via Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, and other programs. The 46% figure doesn&#8217;t include the health insurance of all government workers at all levels of government.</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08fedfun.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08fedfun.pdf</a> &#8211; there are 2.8 Million civilian federal employees</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08stlus.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08stlus.txt</a> &#8211; there are 14.9 Million state and local government employees</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ehow.com/about_4595933_what-size-us-military.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ehow.com/about_4595933_what-size-us-military.html</a> &#8211; there are roughly 1.5M active duty military servicemen</p>
<p>That&#8217;s 19.2 Million individuals (plus their families) receiving health care paid for by the federal government, above and beyond the 46% figure noted above. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14942047/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14942047/</a></p>
<p>Average household size is 2.6 in the US, so it&#8217;s likely that 19.2 * 2.6 = 50 Million people get their health insurance from government employment. That&#8217;s 16% of the US population.</p>
<p>When added to the 46% of individuals receiving health care from direct government programs, that totals 62% of all health care in the US!</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where did you get the stat that the government incurs 60% of health care spending? I&#039;ve heard it before too but i was just wondering where you got it from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you get the stat that the government incurs 60% of health care spending? I&#8217;ve heard it before too but i was just wondering where you got it from.</p>
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		<title>By: How Much Would Universal Healthcare Cost? &#171; True Cost &#8211; Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How Much Would Universal Healthcare Cost? &#171; True Cost &#8211; Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] passed in 2009, and that money will be found to pay for it for the moment. The bigger question is, how will it be paid for tomorrow? Unless health care cost growth is pulled into line with inflation, no one has that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] passed in 2009, and that money will be found to pay for it for the moment. The bigger question is, how will it be paid for tomorrow? Unless health care cost growth is pulled into line with inflation, no one has that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Limits on the Health Care Deduction? &#171; True Cost - Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Limits on the Health Care Deduction? &#171; True Cost - Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] March 15, 2009 at 2:26 pm &#183; Filed under Economics, Policy &#183;Tagged health care reform, health care subsidy, health care tax deduction, obama health care, tax deductions   The Obama administration is open to the idea of limiting the deduction on employer-based health care coverage. This would be a tremendous step in the right direction in limiting health care cost growth, as I&#8217;ve previously discussed (here as well). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] March 15, 2009 at 2:26 pm &#183; Filed under Economics, Policy &#183;Tagged health care reform, health care subsidy, health care tax deduction, obama health care, tax deductions   The Obama administration is open to the idea of limiting the deduction on employer-based health care coverage. This would be a tremendous step in the right direction in limiting health care cost growth, as I&#8217;ve previously discussed (here as well). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: praveenghanta</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-285</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,

Here&#039;s some quick analysis of your premise:

There were 45 million people on Medicare in 2008, and the total cost of Medicare in 2008 was roughly 400 Billion in 2008. That&#039;s roughly $8900 per person, per year, or $740 per month.

At that price, Medicare is actually quite a bit more expensive than many private and employer-sponsored health insurance programs. This makes sense, because Medicare treats the oldest (and thus sickest) Americans, and because it pays for a large percentage of end-of-life care in the US, which is prohibitively expensive.

If younger Americans were allowed to join Medicare, their costs would probably be less - although it&#039;s likely that many sick people would choose to join, keeping costs high. So I&#039;m not sure that the plan would work. The truth is that mandatory health insurance, or a single payer system, are the only way to get everyone covered, and have everyone share in the cost. If we care about getting 100% of people covered, that is...

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicareEnRpts/Downloads/HISMI08.pdf

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/budget/tables.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some quick analysis of your premise:</p>
<p>There were 45 million people on Medicare in 2008, and the total cost of Medicare in 2008 was roughly 400 Billion in 2008. That&#8217;s roughly $8900 per person, per year, or $740 per month.</p>
<p>At that price, Medicare is actually quite a bit more expensive than many private and employer-sponsored health insurance programs. This makes sense, because Medicare treats the oldest (and thus sickest) Americans, and because it pays for a large percentage of end-of-life care in the US, which is prohibitively expensive.</p>
<p>If younger Americans were allowed to join Medicare, their costs would probably be less &#8211; although it&#8217;s likely that many sick people would choose to join, keeping costs high. So I&#8217;m not sure that the plan would work. The truth is that mandatory health insurance, or a single payer system, are the only way to get everyone covered, and have everyone share in the cost. If we care about getting 100% of people covered, that is&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicareEnRpts/Downloads/HISMI08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicareEnRpts/Downloads/HISMI08.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/budget/tables.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/budget/tables.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The column avoids the simple statement of the cost of Medicare for 2009.
That shows the continuing desire to hide the facts.
The facts are simple: divide the number of people covered into the total cost of Medicare, and that&#039;s the per-person cost.   

Here&#039;s the very simple solution: allow anyone to buy in to Medicare at cost.
This will start insurance companies to scream and cry about how terrible it will be for those poor people signing on to such a terrible system, but in fact people will do so willingly, and it will show the high degree of theft in the private insurance business, whose incentive is to lie, cheat and steal, because the only way to a profit is by denying by obfuscatatory methods.   Screw them.

The most powerful solution and best form of free market capitalism is allow the only player big enough to break the big insurance monopoly to allow anyone to buy in, at cost.   I would certainly do it.

The reason the cost is hidden is because this solution is so simple and powerful.  The escalation and rationing are useless arguments against the fact that everyone will finally see for themselves the truth of these arguments, and see the incentives for private insurance is billion-dollar payouts paid for by increasingly sophisticated methods for denying claims while increasing premiums.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The column avoids the simple statement of the cost of Medicare for 2009.<br />
That shows the continuing desire to hide the facts.<br />
The facts are simple: divide the number of people covered into the total cost of Medicare, and that&#8217;s the per-person cost.   </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the very simple solution: allow anyone to buy in to Medicare at cost.<br />
This will start insurance companies to scream and cry about how terrible it will be for those poor people signing on to such a terrible system, but in fact people will do so willingly, and it will show the high degree of theft in the private insurance business, whose incentive is to lie, cheat and steal, because the only way to a profit is by denying by obfuscatatory methods.   Screw them.</p>
<p>The most powerful solution and best form of free market capitalism is allow the only player big enough to break the big insurance monopoly to allow anyone to buy in, at cost.   I would certainly do it.</p>
<p>The reason the cost is hidden is because this solution is so simple and powerful.  The escalation and rationing are useless arguments against the fact that everyone will finally see for themselves the truth of these arguments, and see the incentives for private insurance is billion-dollar payouts paid for by increasingly sophisticated methods for denying claims while increasing premiums.</p>
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		<title>By: praveenghanta</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[praveenghanta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary, good point - we Americans are a relatively unhealthy bunch, and that is partly to blame as well. There are some perverse incentives that make that problem worse too - farm subsidies make bad food like high fructose corn syrup cheap, and make us fatter.

But I fear that even if all of us were lean and healthy, we&#039;d still have runaway health care costs. As long as someone else (the taxpayer) is paying the bill, costs will rise. Costs will stop rising when the taxpayer puts his foot down and says no more, or when the taxpayer runs out of money - whichever comes first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, good point &#8211; we Americans are a relatively unhealthy bunch, and that is partly to blame as well. There are some perverse incentives that make that problem worse too &#8211; farm subsidies make bad food like high fructose corn syrup cheap, and make us fatter.</p>
<p>But I fear that even if all of us were lean and healthy, we&#8217;d still have runaway health care costs. As long as someone else (the taxpayer) is paying the bill, costs will rise. Costs will stop rising when the taxpayer puts his foot down and says no more, or when the taxpayer runs out of money &#8211; whichever comes first.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://truecostblog.com/2009/02/05/healthcare-bubble/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good stuff here, nicely researched. However, we do have a fat-American bubble, which is why our health care costs soar so much (to treat all the diabetes, hypertension, digestive and ambulatory problems caused by our eating habits).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff here, nicely researched. However, we do have a fat-American bubble, which is why our health care costs soar so much (to treat all the diabetes, hypertension, digestive and ambulatory problems caused by our eating habits).</p>
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